What are your thoughts and feelings on the state of America in 2017?
America has always been a divided country; a country with lots of skeletons in its closet. This goes against the story we tell ourselves, but it's true. It always boils under the surface, but at times like this it all comes out and we can't pretend anymore. This is a dangerous time, but it is also a time of opportunity. We can make everything worse or we can use this moment of awareness to put injustices right and begin to heal. I am hopeful.
Do you think young people are more interested now in seeking out the truth in terms of power and the political or are they too obsessed with false narratives and social media surface? Are those two things even mutually exclusive?
Young people are not given nearly enough credit. "Millennials" get blamed for everything! But young people are dealing with a very different world. And they are in a better position to understand the world as it is now. I don't think these two things are exclusive. Social media can be escapist and promote false ideas. But I think young people are aware of this. They don't need to be lectured. And young people are in a better position than ever to think for themselves and question official narratives. They can go around the commercial media, which is often wrong. I think young people are more politically engaged now than they have been in generations.
Your social consciousness appears to have flourished as the years go on. From PETA, Climate change to your work and support of Julian Assange- why are you so passionate about these causes and what spurs you on to continue ? & Why do you do what you do? What motivates you?
Firstly, the desire to help other living creatures, but secondly, the need to spend my time trying to do something meaningful. Everyone looks for meaning in their lives. I think when we can find meaning in trying to help others, that's better for everyone. That's what motivates me in my activism.
As a kind of storyteller, where do you see yourself in the spectrum of true narratives and false lies in society? Does it matter?
Or false narratives and true lies? Truth matters very much. It is one of the most important of all things, because without it how could we even think about anything else? But we cannot forget the deeper truths that are found in literature, film and art. I try to pursue these deeper truths.
Environmental issues are obviously very close to your heart. Is ecological decline and chaos the thing which terrifies you the most? & Are we living in the end times? Or does every generation feel that sense of the apocalyptic?
I think it has more truth now than it ever has done. The threat to our environment is very serious. It is the most important issue for all of us. I don't think we are living in end times, because I think there are still things that can be done to save the planet. And we must. If a sense of impending doom makes us take all of this seriously, I think it's healthy.
Do you believe in the power of the internet or do the trolls and weirdos put you off?
They do not put me off. The internet didn't invent trolls and weirdos. The world has always been full of strange people! As someone who was a celebrity before the internet became really popular, there were plenty of odd people then too. Some of them even work in show business! What I think has happened is the internet gives everyone the experience of celebrity - all you need is a social media profile and you're visible to everyone in the world. So now everyone has a taste of what it is like when you get unwanted attention like that. What is the solution? If you are famous you have to learn to be a bit cautious, and not put everything in the open. I think it would be nice if the social media companies taught people how to do that, and didn't just lure everyone into a false sense of security. I think the companies should answer for a lot of it.
You’re an American icon who’s been talked about and written about by all kinds of people and in all kinds of ways. Do you read your own press/gossip? Having been in the public eye for so long, do you feel you have control over your own narratives? What does freedom mean to you?
We are not free unless we can have adventures in our life. Unless we have a sense of wonder.
The biggest UK priority at the moment is urging the government to follow through on its promise to ban circuses that use wild animals.
PM Theresa May needs to act - it has vast bipartisan majority support but MPs keep sitting on it and saying they'll introduce "when parliamentary time allows". The bill that was drafted 2 years ago after 94% of Britons said they support it.
Austria, Belgium, Holland, Slovenia, Mexico, and many more have banned them -England, which was the first country in the world to pass legislation to protect animals, but is now lagging far behind other countries on this issue.
In some UK circuses, lions and tigers are carted around the country and beaten to perform - until a ban comes into effect, there's nothing to stop circuses from acquiring more wild animals. Circuses force wild animals to live chained inside of cages or pens - whips, muzzles, and electric prods are constant reminders that these animals are being forced to perform out of fear.
I get asked quite often my views on Feminism.
I don't love labels. I am not a 'Feminist'. I am female -
and appreciate the great strides women have fought for with dignity and grace.
But I don't like to be told how to be a woman.
By a woman or a man.
If I want to stay home and raise my children or work - this is my choice and both are admirable -
How wrong is it for a woman to expect the man to build the world she wants, rather than to create it herself?
I do not want to be the leader. I refuse to be the leader. I want to live darkly and richly in my femaleness. I want a man lying over me, always over me. His will, his pleasure, his desire, his life, his work, his sexuality the touchstone, the command, my pivot. I don’t mind working, holding my ground intellectually, artistically; but as a woman, oh, God, as a woman I want to be dominated. I don’t mind being told to stand on my own feet, not to cling, be all that I am capable of doing, but I am going to be pursued, fucked, possessed by the will of a male at his time, his bidding.
I, with a deeper instinct, choose a man who compels my strength, who makes enormous demands on me, who does not doubt my courage or my toughness, who does not believe me naïve or innocent, who has the courage to treat me like a woman.
As for 'progressive-ness'
Sweden has a very conservative form of feminism. Quite Victorian. That presents women as helpless innocent victims all the time. (Even Danish and Norwegian feminists are repelled by it)
But perhaps that is an opportunity. Celebrating women's self determination, strength and responsibility and part of that is to treat women as adults who have the strength to harm. And that doing so advances women.
I also believe false rape claims should be treated with the same seriousness as rape. And sex laws need more clarity.
Sex is full of mistakes in discovery .. young men's lives are ruined too when we insert fear and blame.
To protect women is admirable.
But young men deserve the same respect.
It's hard to forgive Sweden for what they did to Julian Assange...
adding senselessly to the nightmare. The unfairness.
We both have a passion for truth. I think this is the undercurrent of our connection. In love and war.
I am curious how they use this political carrot- feminism - upping the anti every political cycle to gain votes but mislead women into thinking this is good for them.
I think it's slightly destructive and paralyzing - in relationships.
I feel sorry for young people dating in Sweden.
Parenting is most important. I parent like I love - it is a dance. Esp with boys. To hold their attention gracefully. As a mother we play such complex roles. I always think of. How am I preparing these young men for the world. How will they contribute their hearts, minds and talent... ?
And in my view-
America is not free -
When I speak with Julian - I sometimes try to console him.
People have a hard time with the truth.
They can't bear it.
There is danger in knowledge. And responsibility ..
And this is why some hate... and place blame ... on him and others that reveal it - it is misdirected fear and confusion.
I think Julian and I compliment each other - his voracious appetite for specifics, detailsand
and my poetic madness ...
Makes for an always interesting and sexy vegan lunch.
It was lovely seeing you at New York Fashion Week. I've had the pleasure of getting to know you over the years, and I can tell you're a good person with a big, beautiful heart. I'm writing to ask you to extend your compassion to real fashion victims—the animals who are violently killed in the fur trade—by swearing off fur this winter. I think you'd be horrified to learn that every single fur farm that PETA has exposed has been beyond cruel: Investigators have witnessed and documented that foxes are electrocuted, dogs are bludgeoned to death, and raccoon dogs are skinned alive. Just last month, video footage from a fur farm in Poland revealed that foxes are being kept inside filthy, cramped, dark cages and that some had missing eyes and rotting jaws. The footage was released on the heels of another investigation showing that foxes are being selectively bred to grow to an enormous—and dangerously unhealthy—size so that their pelts will be larger and fetch more money.
Times are changing, though: Gisele Bündchen made a bold statement against fur on the cover of Vogue Paris earlier this summer, and Austria, Croatia, the Netherlands, Slovenia, the U.K., and other nations have taken a stand against cruelty by abolishing all fur farms. First lady and former fur-wearer Melania Trump recently swore off fur, following in the footsteps of so many fashion icons and first ladies. You know I love you, and you can be a hero for animals as well as a great example to all your beautiful followers by swearing off fur. Please do the right thing. You'd be praised all over the world, including by my close friends at PETA. Kind regards,
I hope this e-mail finds you well. On behalf of my friends at PETA and kind people everywhere, I encourage you to use your unique position as a Canada Goose employee to urge the company to end its use of coyote fur.
Despite what your employer might tell you, the traps used to catch wild coyotes whose fur is used to trim Canada Goose's coats crush the animals' necks or snap shut on their legs, often cutting to the bone. The coyotes can struggle and suffer for days in a trap, and those who don't die from exposure to the elements, blood loss, infection, or attacks from predators are shot or bludgeoned to death when the trapper returns. Victims desperate to free themselves from traps—some of whom are mothers with starving pups waiting for them—will even attempt to chew off their own limbs. Please watch this 15-second video and I'm sure you'll understand why I'm so concerned.
There are no regulations in the fur trade that prevent this kind of suffering, but there are many beautiful, innovative materials that we can use instead of fur. That's why hundreds of major designers and retailers—including Arc'teryx, Giorgio Armani, Helly Hansen, The North Face, Patagonia, Ralph Lauren, and REI—have already eliminated fur from their lines and use luxe modacrylics and other innovative materials that are just as warm and beautiful as animal fur without any of the cruelty.
Please, use your insider advantage to urge Canada Goose to make the simple transition to using exclusively animal-friendly faux fur or remove the fur trim entirely. It would be a move that millions around the world would support, and I'd be the first to celebrate such news.
Thank you for your compassion. Sincerely,
Yes, I was mentioned in the New Yorker interview -
and, maybe I can help clarify some of my motivation for visiting Julian. -
To humanize him.
That this is a person who has spent 5 years in a single room.
And that despite this, he shows such fortitude of spirit and clarity of thought. He has many interesting things to say,
and a fascinating understanding of the world.
And not only this,
but I learn a lot about the human spirit by seeing how he has been able to keep it together through such hardship and over such a long period of confinement.
Ibelieve he needs human connection -He needs company, to see the world through others' eyes,
and this is why I believe it is important to visit him.
This is someone who has made tremendous sacrifices,
and my idea of activism is that it must be compassionate for people in adversity.
My broader perspective which includes veganism comes from a basic sense of compassion for all living creatures.
If we are to be consistent,
that compassion should apply to all animals and people ,
not just the ones we know.
One thing that I'd like to say is that Julian has held his head high and born his adversity with dignity,
if there is any fairness in the world,
the Department of Justice would call off its prosecution of him.
He has already spent five years confined in a small room.
He hasn't done anything wrong,
but even if you think he has,
surely he has been punished enough. So it's time for the US government to do the right thing and close the WikiLeaks case.
As for upcoming,
this week a case is being heard at the Inter-American Court of Human Rights, and Julian's lawyers have submitted a letter to it,
arguing for the rights of asylum seekers.
If the case is successful,
it could change the law,
meaning that other people who are arbitrarily detained could win their freedom.
It's a complicated scene these days.
With the havoc of America.
It's a challenge to make sense of it all.
But no more confusing than any other time in history.
We are more informed.
And must be responsible -
by making better choices and not demonizing the messenger.
We get fixated on what media tells us. How, when, why?
The content of the cables are most important. Hillary lost her own election.
No one else helped her fail.
The world runs differently now. We are evolving and changing.
And Julian /Wikileaks is a catalyst - partly responsible for this awakening.
It may not be what you want to hear.
it's the truth.
And we must deal with it.
Be compassionate, evolveand do the right thing.
It feels like the Wild West - bogus
Feminism, cyber currency -
Tapping into fear and making excuses
while the few stay informed and get more powerful.
It's a dirty trick - but the jig is up -
I think it’s a real option-
A Pardon for Julian -
I'm on to you ....
"What about the women?”
has always been used by those in power to justify their brutality from WWI and the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan to the detention of the most effective dissidents and campaigners for liberation. (Julian Assange)
In WWI co-opted women in Anglo countries would go around putting "coward" ribbons on the doors of war resisters.
Gloria Steinem was a paid, admitted CIA agent and girlfriend of Henry Kissinger. Feminism was repeatedly exploited to fracture the US civil rights movement including by pitting black women against black men. The FBI even tried to destroy MLK with illegally recorded sex tapes of his affairs.
Feminism correctly depicted a powerful patriarchy, which of course co-opted them in an instant to split resistance, justify warfare, and flood the labour market with poorly ununionised female labour, leading to a huge growth in profits but no growth in male real wages in the US since 1973.
In Europe corporatised feminism has led to a collapse in the European birth rate, which is now almost half the replacement level of 2.1 children per woman.
Corporations hate children as they take women off the labour market leading to increased wages and higher corporate taxes -- to pay for childbirth, paediatrics and education.
Together most 'feminist' writers and corporations pimp corporate careerism which is now the dominant establishment ideology. Feminists once understood that there is no meaningful difference between 'the patriarchy' and 'the establishment'.
These anti-mother policies result in a scarcity of young adults which would normally have the effect of driving up wages.
Rather than invest in mothers and children to rebalance the birth rate corporatism has found cheaper solutions: Filch young labour from other countries by expanding the EU and increasing inwards migration. Why pay mothers and teachers to build young adults if you can get them elsewhere for free?
The resulting social turmoil and wage suppression has fuelled the rise of the populist right.
Systems of censorship are always turned on the oppressed. The first struggle in any liberation movement is to be heard.
But western feminists have now joined forces with giant transnational corporations like Google and extreme anti women states like Saudi Arabia to promote pervasive online censorship, because "what about the women".
I'm on to you,
There are quite a few attributes that Pamela Anderson has in spades. Yes, there’s the superficial bits—the tousled blonde waves and curves that famously landed her on countless covers of Playboy—but a quality that Anderson has on lock, it would seem, is longevity. Consider the fact that Anderson entered the cultural zeitgeist back in 1989 with her first Playboy cover, which she quickly segued into an acting career with roles on popular TV shows like Home Improvement and, of course, Baywatch.
Today, Anderson is a bit of everything—an animal rights activist, a feminist, a soon-to-be author, a mother to two popular male models, a front row regular at fashion shows, and, yes, a bombshell. Relocated to Saint Tropez for the summer, Anderson teamed up with her old friend, the photographer Luke Gilford, for an impromptu photo shoot, and chatted with W about her sons, the advice Julian Assange gave her about social media, and more.
Where in the world are you right now?
I’m in Saint Tropez for the rest of the summer. I have been for about three months so far. I’m renting out my house in Malibu, so I’m semi-homeless which is kind of nice when you get to go to the South of France. I can’t complain.
Do you go out every summer?
I don’t. I’ve been out here plenty of times for shoots, but my evil plan was always to semi-retire here. My kids [Dylan Jagger and Brandon Thomas Lee] are grown and they want me to be happy and they want to visit France, so it works out. I’m not micro-managing their life in L.A., and we’re spending quite a bit of time out here going to museums and experiencing culture and different languages, so it’s the best of all worlds. And it was always my plan and something I really aspired to. I knew before I turned 50 that I would be living on the French Riviera. And here I am.
Do you remember the first time you went there?
The first time I came was with Playboy about 20 years ago. I’m not really good with times and dates, but that was the first time. It’s a beautiful light. Everybody looks good in Saint Tropez. It is either full of beautiful people, or it’s the light. I can’t tell.
Tell me about how this shoot you did with Luke Gilford.
We always come up with some kind of narrative and cinematic way of shooting together; we both put a lot of work into it, but it also came together collaboratively and naturally… We wanted to play with a bunch of different characters and I’m so much into fantasy and playing characters. With each outfit, we created a different character. It was just really fun. Luke gets it. There is not time wasted. He giggles a lot behind the camera, but I’m used to it now.
How did you two meet?
He wanted me to do a short film [the 2015 short Connected], and he met me a low point in my life; I hadn’t decided to go through my last divorce yet and I was in a terrible place. I was miserable, I had cut my hair, just everything was really difficult. It was a difficult relationship, and it wasn’t healthy. Luke came over with the script and he wanted me to read it with him, and I just couldn’t even see the words. But it was such a great time for me to do it, even though it probably took us about a year to get it together. When we shot it, I was still in the same broken place, which really worked well for the script, and we’ve been shooting together ever since. Every time we get together, it happens so naturally. It’s one of those collaborative things that you can’t even explain. It’s magical. And they’re not always beautiful pictures; I don’t think they’re pretty or beautiful. They’re just really significant. He’s a real director, and sees things with a different eye. Everything he shoots, you know it is him. He has a real way of storytelling, which is why it is so fun to shoot with him.
And you are wearing all Stella McCartney in this shoot.
Of course. She’s a trailblazer. She’s created a very beautiful, super high-end fashion line without hurting animals. It’s incredible, and so difficult. I’ve tried my little hand at things that are vegan, and it’s just difficult. People are ready for it, but it’s difficult—even the fabrics are more expensive because they are more forward-thinking and takes a little bit more effort. But it’s worth the extra bit of money. Vivienne Westwood said, “Buy a couple beautiful, important items, don’t just buy and consume crap.”
Speaking of fashion, you’ve recently re-emerged as a front row staple at a lot of fashion shows, and your sons are both models.
I’ve been doing this a long time; I walked in a few Vivienne shows years ago. And the boys are just doing this for fun; Brandon’s an actor and Dylan’s a musician. Brandon gets to be an actor on the runway, and just eats it up and loves it. My other son has this plan for his life and is very ambitious and all about the music, so it doesn’t really want to do any of this stuff; he turns down stuff all the time. He’s very calculated, while Brandon is very on his sleeve.
I just support my friends. Vivienne, of course, and Andreas are doing really fabulous, crazy, wild stuff. I did their last campaign with Juergen Teller. I love working with them, they’re like family. And Stella is like family. I guess that’s my little world. Dolce & Gabbana are really cool, but I don’t like that they have fur. But they’re funny and really sweet, and very generous and really good to my boys. I have nothing bad to say about them.
What is it like to see your sons model and walk the runway?
I didn’t want them to be in this business, and neither did Tommy [Lee, Anderson's ex-husband]. They’re both very smart boys and both got into incredible universities. They’re both big achievers. We just wanted to make sure they knew that they could do things other than what we were doing... They’re both doing really good, and are at the age where they can make these choices. Of course, Tommy and I are like, ‘Oh no.’ But they’re handling it really well because they’ve been surrounded by all of this there whole lives, so they’re very open-minded and can thank uncle David LaChapelle for that.
Did you give them any advice when they did make the decision to pursue this industry?
Just to be themselves and not try to fake this formula and not to be so worried about this freaking social media stuff. Just be themselves, work on their craft, be passionate, and that there are no rules. You do what you want to do. They are both very strong-minded, anyways, so it’s not like they are looking for advice from me. I’m always rambling on.
I see on your website that you have been journaling and have an entire section dedicated to your writing.
I’ve been doing this for years! I don’t know where everybody has been. They’re like, “Oh, you’re finally doing something with your life,” and I’m like, “Motherf--ker, I’ve been doing this since I f--king came to L.A.” I hate when people say, “Now you’ve finally grown up.” I’m an activist, and I’m not doing it for myself. I’m doing it for animals and people who are vulnerable and can’t speak for themselves. It was never my intention to get any credit for any of it, and people are just noticing. But it’s nothing different, and my priorities have not changed. I’m just being myself, and I have been an animal activist since I was a kid. It was natural to share the attention when I was on Baywatch and had 150 different countries watching. I thought, “Let me see what I can do and speak to governments and Parliament.” And I did, and have been doing that for a very long time. But it’s funny when people say, “You’re finally doing this.”
How do you now use social media to highlight these causes that are important to you?
I shut down my computer and cell phone for six months one time. I thought the social media thing was crap, because one time I was offered a movie, but in the contract they said, “You have so many followers,” this and that, and I said, “I’m not getting involved with this. This is really bad, and I don’t want anything to do with it.” So I threw it all away. But then I started to realize, you can use it for good and I started to kind of slowly get back into it. It’s not for personal reasons, but all the things I believe in. That’s the difference. I worry about young people whose self-worth is based on how many followers they have or how many likes they have. That’s why I’m writing a book right now called “The Sensual Revolution” which is about desensitization. It’s just amazing, the statistics and what people are going through right now, and how young people are experiencing fame in this bizarre way. But, that’s part of life, and you can’t always complain about new technology, and true information is good. Julian [Assange] always says, “As much information as possible is good, and you have to weed through it because some is wrong and some is right. But the truth is the truth.” Before I wanted to not look at all, but he said, “You have to look at everything and break it down.”
It’s definitely a much different landscape for people starting out now compared to when you first entered Hollywood.
Thank God it was different then. There has to be some mystery. People don’t want to look at you when they can look at you all day on these things. I look at Instagram stories and think, “I really don’t know all of this about you. I don’t want to know what you are eating, or what you are doing, or where you are going.” I don’t care. I just don’t. So, I try to be enough involved where I can use it to my advantage when it comes to causes that I believe in, but try not get too personal. I love poetry and read constantly, so if there is something interesting on mind, it’s something I can play with, so it is personal, but not blatantly personal. I’m not taking pictures of myself in the mirror in different outfits. I do not get those.
What are you reading these days?
Right now, I’m reading Frida Khalo; I’m always reading Frida. I’m reading "Napoleon and Josephine" because I’m learning French, and so I’ve been listening to a lot of French music and watching French movies, because that is how I can learn. I’m Canadian so I have a good base, and I’ve been speaking a lot since I’ve been here. It’s the language of love.
Even though you are Canadian, having come to France from the States, do you find that people want to discuss President Trump with you?
I don’t think people really think that’s something they should talk to me about. Not that I’m not involved with politics—I’m very political and I do have a lot of political opinions and friends who are very political—but it’s just an endless subject and I don’t have much to say that is positive, so might as well not talk about it.
What else have you been doing during your time in Saint Tropez?
I don’t think I’m moving back to Los Angeles anytime soon, but I’m trying to decide if I’ll go to Provence or Northern France, so I’m looking around. I have a lot of friends who are here and have met interesting people, and it’s easy for me to get around. I’m writing a lot, and getting more involved in not just women’s issues but I’m looking at the history of women’s issues and thinking about feminism in general. I don’t want to be told how to to a woman by a man or a woman.
It’s part of what I’m writing my book about, so it has been what's on my brain lately. I’ve been working on it for over a year. There are four chapters in each part and six parts, so I’m getting there. I’m getting close to the end and really love how it’s turning out. I’m going to promoting that, and I have Coco de Mer, which I’m doing a joint venture with; my lingerie line comes out in December. It’s really sexy, playful lingerie—more on the playful side than the bondage side. I’ve got a lot of little things like this going on, but mostly just living my life and being in love and happy and seeing my kids when I can. And I love that my kids are in love and have girlfriends; they are not shy and really, really open to sharing their experiences with people. They are just really cool. They are 21 and 19, and kids that age don’t want girlfriends; they want this whole Tinder madness. But my kids don’t. They really are lovers, and romantics, and that’s what I’m most proud of.
Love is the most important thing in the world. Everything else is meaningless, really.